Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Paris Douglas with my co host, Yvette o'. Sullivan.
[00:00:02] Speaker B: Good morning. Hello, everybody.
[00:00:04] Speaker A: Good morning, Yvette. Again, we are I and I. Actually, that's, that's just us, I and I.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: You're listening to the Vital Women of Washington Heights.
[00:00:21] Speaker A: I wanted to talk to you a little bit about our podcast, why we created Vital Women of Washington Heights. And it's just to educate all, all women out there that need a little information about how all of this works.
So we welcome.
Our title is Vital Women of Washington Heights Again, living in Dutchess county. And we're here to share our experiences with you. Our episode today, we're diving into on how can we improve before, during and after menopause.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: Absolutely. And as a menopause coach, I am so happy to collaborate with Iris to bring awareness to women of how our bodies tend to change during this stage in our lives.
[00:01:10] Speaker A: Absolutely. Big time. But I wanted to also take this time to thank Andrew o', Grady, who is the CEO of the Mental Health America of Dutchess county for sponsoring our second episode. It all comes in entwined. If women are going through menopause and if there's some mental illness going on with menopause, the family outfit might be challenged.
So with the Mental Health America is there to support comprehensive mental health care and also for addictions. There's a lot of people that are trying to figure out how do I stop doing what I'm doing because I can't do this anymore. They're there to support you. The MHA Duchess Veterans program is there also nice program for the vets, you know, to come in as a group and figure things out. And it's Veterans One Stop. They're located at 1335 Route 44, Pleasant Valley, NY 12569. And they're open from Monday to Friday from 9 to 5.
So, Yvette, we're here. We're here together as sisters. We're from Washington Heights. We saw our mothers go through menopause.
Talk to me about as a man, you know, as a coach, what is it that we should be talking about having these conversations with women about menopause?
[00:02:35] Speaker B: Well, you know, there isn't enough information out there for women to rely on receiving appropriate information of what it is going through menopause and how our bodies tend to change. And that is one of the reasons why I decided to get my certification in, in menopause.
My mother went through it, I'm going through it, and of course my daughter's going to go through it. All women are going to go through menopause. And I struggled finding information that would help me when the, when I enter perimenopause.
When I first enter perimenopause, I did not understand what was happening to my body and the changes.
And not only do you feel inner changes, but you also start to see outer changes. And those outer changes bring, you know, a difference in your skin, dark circles under your eyes.
And it starts to feel like, what's happening?
Why am I, you know, looking so, so dull, my skin, why do I feel so tired? It just drains you.
And a lot of the times we think it's something else happening to us and not realizing that we have entered that perimenopause stage. And it's wonderful that I have this opportunity to discuss this with you and also to bring awareness to other women. And because February is heart Health Month, I feel that it also should incorporate conversations about health in general overall. And menopause is part of our general health, part of our well being.
[00:04:26] Speaker A: Absolutely.
We're women, we're the CEO CFO of our families, of our family unit. And if we're not feeling ourselves because like you said earlier, our faces don't look the same, our skin is dull, we don't look so bright eyed, bushy tail anymore because we're processing our bodies, that physiology is taking over differently and we don't know how to maintain it.
So awareness is key. And I'm glad that you became a certified coach because women need to be educated. We need this information in order for us to have a better lifestyle.
[00:05:06] Speaker B: Yes. And some people may think, well, how does that affect your mental health? It affects your mental health because it involves lots of emotions. And if we're not feeling happy and we allowed sadness and anxiety to drag us down because it is part of the menopause and this is going to affect everything in our lives.
[00:05:33] Speaker A: It does it because listen, strategies, strategies and managing on how to, how to feel better, about how to feel better. When you wake up in the morning and you look at yourself and you're not the same person you were was five years ago, two years ago, three years ago. Because when it hits you, I'm 61 and let me tell you, I don't look like I did when I was 30, but I'm maintaining what I still got right.
[00:06:00] Speaker B: And, and we spoke a little bit about that in our first episode, that when it hits you, it hits you very fast. And one of the things that I want to discuss today is like, you know, healing before menopause. How does it affect You.
So before menopause or before perimenopause starts, I'm a big believer and we have discussed this often, Iris, how it's important.
[00:06:24] Speaker A: To.
[00:06:26] Speaker B: Deal with the memories that our bodies hold. Our bodies can hold a lot of positive memories, but also a lot of negative memories. And some of those memories are internal that we can bring forward from our ancestors, from our mothers, from our grandmothers, from our great grandmother. So we need to heal our bodies constantly, not to bring in all that negative energy or journey that our ancestors have gone through. And as women, we're very receptive and we feel and our emotions are very complex.
So moving along, you know, as a healer, as someone that practices Reiki and practices healing in your center, what would you say are some of the strategies that we can incorporate in order to help us heal before we enter those perimenopause stage?
[00:07:31] Speaker A: That's a good question. Everyone is going to find a different outlet. But first of all, get some information. Google it.
Menopause. Google it. The information is there now. How every. We are different. We're all, we're the same, but we're all designed a little different. What works for you? Does meditation work for you? Does yoga work for you? Does getting a Reiki once a month just to bring out the energies, does that work for you?
Work for you? Does a good Korea work for you?
What works for you? A journaling, a walk, you know, nature, Go to the park, jog, feel that air, sit down, read a good magazine, an informative and magazine, you know, all of these things. Go to the library, do something that is going to help you. Because if you want to do it holistically, you have to figure out how to tame your spirit in order for you to calm down this fire that's within you, which is the menopause, it's fire energy, it's creative energy. It's beautiful energy. It's not bad stuff. It's just how do you tame it? How do you control it so you can live with it in harmony, Living with your powers in harmony. Because women, we create babies. Babies are born within from us.
God made this beautiful body for the woman. So now we have to learn how to manage our bodies healthy. Eating good foods, create good moods.
You know, mija, I'd rather have a mango and you know, in the morning with a nice cup of chai tea. Then, you know, have like a bacon egg sandwich with coffee.
When you're menopause, which one you think is going to make you feel better? The tea with chai or in the mango or this.
[00:09:21] Speaker B: Exactly, exactly. And part of, you know, taming some of those symptoms is incorporating that healthy diet. And incorporating that healthy diet is fruits and vegetables. And mango will give you more energy or natural sugar as opposed to eating something that is processed, such as, you know, bacon. And I love bacon. Believe me, once in a while I have bacon, and I'm a believer. Like, I eat 80% healthy and 20%. Then I also give my body, you know, certain cravings and. And bacon tastes good. So I'm not going to deny myself from, you know, having bacon once in a while. But you brought up a point that I also want to address.
Google. Yes, Google is a good resource when you want quick information, but I'm going to share part of the readings that I needed to read when I was working on my coaching certification for menopause. And it's this. This book. It's. It's by, you know, Dr. Mary Claire Haver, and she's one of the first pioneers to put together resources and information for women. And it's. It's not that I'm promoting her book, but this book taught me a lot during my course, and it clarified a lot of questions, and it helped me understand what my body was going through. It's the New Menopause, and I love her title because it's not Our Mother's Menopause. When my mother was going through it, there wasn't information out there for her to seek the appropriate answers that she was looking for, and she was misled.
So we are living in a time where information is so abundant nowadays, but we also have to be very careful where the information comes from because we don't want to be misled.
And, you know, as women, sometimes male doctors throw information at us. That. And I'm not misspeaking about male doctors. I've had great male doctors throughout my life. But sometimes it's just like general medicine practice, and it's not specific for a woman's health. And part of creating this podcast is for us to speak, you know, to women, by women, according to what experience we've gone through in life and also the changes that we have seen that are happening in our body.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: Absolutely.
And, you know, getting back to mental health, because that affects your mental health when your body is changing and physically you're changing, you have to find your mantra, you have to find your stillness. You have to meditate, you have to pray.
You have to find the Holy Spirit within to guide you on, not to feel some kind of way when you're going through menopause because it happens like this. My clothes don't fit. My hair is falling apart, my this and this and that. It happens like this.
So, you know, find. Find your material that. That's. That book seems amazing. Find material that resonates with you. Everyone's going through different stages of their menopause, so you also have to find what works, what resonates with you. Stay connected with yourself and find people that can help you. Don't do this alone.
That's why we're here, to commute, to communicate this. Because menopause alone, if you don't want to tell people, you know what? I'm not. I'm feeling depressed today because I'm feeling this and I'm feeling that about. I'm not feeling happy. I'm feeling sad because I don't feel good. I don't look good. My hair is falling out. People don't want to say that sometimes. Yvette, people. It's hard for people to say that. It's hard for people to admit that they're feeling some kind of way. That's another thing.
[00:13:28] Speaker B: So.
[00:13:28] Speaker A: So stay connected. Don't be. Don't be alone. Call people if you're feeling somewhere.
Look, Andrew. Call Andrew at the Mental health. Mha. I'm serious. That's why he's sponsoring us, because we're on the same page. We're talking the same language here about mental illness and how we're going to prevent this. How can we help you prevent it?
[00:13:50] Speaker B: Exactly. And that's why I say this isn't your mother's menopause. Because back then, women didn't come together to talk about what they were feeling or what symptoms, you know, came about through menopause. Everything was like a secret.
[00:14:07] Speaker A: That's fine.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: It's 2025. We don't need to be shy about what's happening to our body. We do not need to be shy to reach out to a friend and communicate.
We are here, you know, as your friend to the public, to the audience, and we want to hear feedback from our audience. What you're going through, what. You know, one of the things that was very difficult for me to go through was bloating.
No matter what I ate, I always felt this sense of feeling very full and heavy and going through, blowing up in. In the sense that it was very uncomfortable for me. And. And last week, you know, we spoke about practicing yoga and me being a Christian.
The great thing about yoga is that there's so many poses and. And you can, you know, Attest to this, Iris. There's so many poses that you can do to alleviate feeling bloated, to alleviate your digestion system. System. Because that also slows down during menopause. And this is a natural way of healing your body.
Instead of, you know, drinking. There's so many commercials out there. You know, take this, drink this to alleviate feeling bloated.
But you have the tools within yourself to heal your body.
So practicing certain poses that will help you feel more comfortable.
It. It's great.
[00:15:48] Speaker A: Definitely. Also breath work.
Breath work helps with the bloating and resetting your. Resetting your nervous system and resetting your cells. If you take that deep breath in, it always reset. Exactly. You put those shoulders back, relax, and you just hold your belly. Hold that bloating space and take those deep breaths in. You're going to learn how to heal yourself.
And regarding bloating, ladies, when you're in menopause and when you're in the process.
No. No carbonated sodas. No sodas. That blows you up, that gives you pain.
It.
What else? Anything with caffeine blows you up. Salt. So be again, going back to the foods. Foods create moods. Be careful what you eat because your body's gonna feel it. Why? Because you're changing. Why? Because you're in menopause.
So you have to go with the rhythm.
Find the book, find a doctor, find a guy that can help you through the process of menopause. That's why I got into Reiki. I've mentioned that a few times. If Reiki saved my life with menopause, because I thought I was going to.
[00:17:03] Speaker B: You know, it's, it's very hard sometimes to control our emotions as women because we're, we have so many wires and it's difficult when our hormones are not balanced and we have, you know, the estrogen, we have the progesterone, we have the testosterone. And when all these hormones are off balance, it creates all kinds of move swings.
And we try to get it under control and sometimes we can't. And that's when we feel, like you had mentioned, Iris, that we're losing our minds.
And it's, it's not a good feeling for us when we feel that we're not in control of our emotions, when we're not in control of our bodies or our minds, it could be very scary also. Yeah. And fear is a very strong factor. And when we allow fear to take over, sometimes that creates more complication and it continues to affect our mental health. And that's what this podcast is all about is maintaining that mental health to keep us strong.
[00:18:17] Speaker A: Absolutely.
Ladies, you got to stay strong because you are the CEO, the CFO of your family.
If you don't exist, if you're not there 100 mind, body, and spirit, your unit is going to be affected. So you have to keep yourself strong because the man is the man. You know, he goes to work, he gets. Makes the money. But you're the one that's running the household. You're the one that's making sure the house is clean, that everyone's got clothes, clean clothes, smells good, it looks good, it's organized. So if you're losing your mind because you're not taking care of your menopause, shame on you. We're here to help you, so we're here to help you. But.
[00:18:55] Speaker B: But not only that. I mean, a woman's responsibility is not just a household. There are many women out there that they have careers. So we're going out there to work as well and bringing in the money as well. So it's. It's an added responsibility.
The household, the children, working. It's not like in the 1950s that women just stayed home and took care of the home environment.
So our roles have increased throughout the years, and it has created so many demands on us that we feel stress. And it's okay to feel stress.
[00:19:33] Speaker A: Exactly. It's okay to feel stressed, but then realize it, be aware of that stress, and then take care of that stress and find the tools to fix that stress, because that's. That's. That's what we need to do. You basically do not accept. Do not surrender to menopause. Surrender to the fact that now you feel and you know, you're getting stronger.
So now you need to know how to maintain that energy.
Because menopause doesn't mean you're getting weak or you're getting old or. No, menopause means you're getting smarter, too. Because I appreciate the fact that I'm in my age, okay? I like being the way I am because of my years.
And it's during the menopause, it's just how to tame it. It's just how to tame them. Horses, I felt like they were cavallos, you know, and the menopause, that's how I felt.
Wild horses.
That's a good book. Wild horses, definitely.
[00:20:33] Speaker B: Iris, what else can you share with us that we can do? What other strategies can we incorporate in our lives to help us tame that menopause energy?
[00:20:46] Speaker A: I would. I would say, ladies, first of all, just be grateful that you're a woman.
Be grateful that you have this beautiful energy within you and this. This tyrant. But be grateful for it because that's what makes you beautiful. That's what gives you your shape, the. The blood, la sangre. That's what gives you your shape. That's what gives you your energy. That's what gives you your creativity.
So I would say learn to be still. Learn to be alone. You don't have to be around a lot of people sometimes when you're feeling depressed. Learn to be by yourself and learn to love yourself first so you can deal with everything that's coming to for, you know, that's coming your way.
I was alone for a long time. It was a single mom. And then I, you know, I was in a relationship, and then I wasn't for a couple of years. And then instead of saying I was like, oh, my God, I found myself.
You know what I mean? I found myself because I didn't have an obio, because I wasn't thinking about a boyfriend, thinking about a fiance. I was thinking about her husband. I was thinking about me. How can I improve myself? Because I'm processing something that I don't know how to process.
And I don't want to be like my mom because she didn't know how to do it, because like you said earlier, she would. She was go to the doctor, male dominant. You know, Columbia Presbyterian at the time used to go to the gy and they used to give her pills because of menopause, but it wasn't the right pills for her. So that just kind of complicated things. That's another thing. You start taking one pill, then you got to take another pill, then you got to take another pill, and then all these pills, pills that it's not. This is not holistic. It's not holistic. And you want to be holistic. You want to be 75, 80, and be holistic with the right foods, the meditation, and the right tools.
[00:22:35] Speaker B: Some people need to go on medication because doing it holistically sometimes doesn't work for them. I believe it's a combination of both being as holistic as possible.
And if you need to go the traditional route or the western, what I call Western medicine, and use medication, and if that's going to help you to bring balance, a combination of both and that, because it's individualized for everybody, absolutely do so. And I. I want to touch a little bit about a point that you made, especially. Como somos Latinas?
Yo pienso que muchas Latinas. You know, A lot of Latin women are raised well. You can't be alone.
You need a male figure behind you to support you.
And it's a preference. If that's what you want, that's okay. But at the same time, it's perfectly fine to be by yourself, to be alone and to get to know the person that you are.
One is going to make you stronger if you know who you are. And last week we talked a little bit about self care and loving yourself first before being able to get involved in, in a relationship.
And relationships is not just a relationship with a partner. A relationship is a relationship with yourself, relationship with your children, relationship with your mother, relationship with your siblings.
And it's okay to sit by yourself and get to know who you are before working on those other relationships, making them stronger.
[00:24:19] Speaker A: That's the only way to do it. Yvette. If you really make, if you have a good relationship, if you have self realization of you, of who you are and what your purpose is and what you're here to do and you're connected with God and you feel, feel good, you're going to attract the right people to be in relationships with.
But before you do that, make sure you are alone so you can hard harness that and harvest it. And then people, the right people will come to you. The right people with the right energy. But it's okay to be alone.
Listen, I saw my mom be alone. I saw my grandmother be alone. You know, that was their preference. I know I'm married, thank God, because I'd rather be in a relationship. But for many years I was alone and I don't like it. I didn't want to because part of, part of living is being, is being with a partner and doing something, coupling it up, you know, being always together and doing things together.
So that's the be beautiful thing about it. But if you're a single woman, hey, that's beautiful too because you got you and you got God.
But it's okay. Basically I'm saying my mother was alone, my grandmother was alone, I was alone for a long time. I got married a couple of years ago. I'm very grateful. But listen, when you're alone, you find yourself. And when you find yourself, you attract the right people and the right energy.
And ladies, find your community.
I'm sure everybody's having these conversation, everyone's having these conversation about women. How do you feel better?
You got to work, you got to take care of your kids, you got to cook, you have to create. How do you keep that vitality? How do you keep that energy? It's hard to keep energy up, you know, without drinking a lot of coffee.
Coffee. I don't drink coffee anymore because it get, it used to get me nervous. When you're in menopause, that's another thing.
[00:26:13] Speaker B: Caffeine can really heighten those emotions, create a business. It's a, it's a way for you to figure out what makes your body tick. It's very individualized.
Drinking a lot of coffee there I, I drink one cup of coffee a day. But when I really was going through that perimenopause, drinking a lot of coffee also made me very nervous. And then I had to realize, okay, it's the coffee that's making me feel, feel like all these jitters. You know, I would drink coffee and I felt like I had like little ants crawling up my, my body and I had to figure it out. And in figuring out is, you know, again, sitting still with yourself and examining what's going on, not just physically, but emotionally, internally, the, the outer appearance. And it, it's everything, because everything makes one person, one individual.
Looking at all of who you are.
[00:27:21] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Whole body, wellness, mind, body and spirit.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:27:28] Speaker A: If your body is not right and you're disaligned, your mind is not going to be right and your spirit's not going to be right. So that's why it's important you keep your body good, understand your body, learn your body, learn how you work, how you tick, and then you move forward with the right tools so you can keep them all connected. It's important.
[00:27:49] Speaker B: Absolutely.
Again, being Latina and in the time period that we grew up in, we, we had established during our first episode that we grew up in the 80s and I grew up around all these secrets, you know, secret secrets about what my mother was going through during the menopause period. And I, I would hear, you know, her talking to her sisters and, and the aunts whispering about the changes because they didn't want us to learn about it. So I'm a big advocate about. And you mentioned community. I'm a big advocate about. No, there's no need to keep secrets, you know, verbalize. And it may sound like we are saying or repeating ourselves over and over, and yes, we are, because I think it's a very important message to get out there, reach out to community, Reach out, you know, to a safe place or safe space that you feel comfortable enough to talk about the issues that are occurring to you, to your body.
Community is very, very important.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: Listen, I I have moms coming in, I have empty nesters coming in to the center and they're like, I'm supposed to feel good. I'm at the best time of my life. My kids off to college, they're doing great. La la la la. I'm home with my husband. Why am I not feeling sexy?
Why am I not feeling amazing?
Because you're in your head too.
[00:29:27] Speaker B: Tell us, where is your center located? I think you know, having that healing center is also a way of women coming into community. And you see a lot of women communicate so many different things that are happening to them. Not just health wise, but also emotionally. So can you tell us a little bit about your center?
[00:29:47] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. So it's Hudson Valley Holistic Healing Center. It's located at 51 Springside Avenue in Poughkeepsie, New York. My husband and I own creating a beautiful, balanced place where people can just go and try to figure things out. You know, we have yoga, meditation, we have reiki healing, we have conversations, we teach chakra series. How does the chakra system works, breath work?
We have children's activities going on. We also host parties, events, women in business events. Because I'm also in business, you know, I, I like to talk to women about business. Women in menopause are good for business cuz that's when their masculine energy comes in.
[00:30:30] Speaker B: That is another episode. That's another episode. We can a little bit about that because that is a good point. You know, and earlier in our conversation I mentioned that women have testosterone.
[00:30:43] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:30:43] Speaker B: And a lot of women don't know that.
And we have these three hormones. And because we have these three hormones, our testosterone is our masculine energy. And there's nothing wrong with having that masculine energy because it's what gives us that strength to feel confident. And when we don't feel confident again, that does affect our mental health.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: Absolutely.
Girl. If you don't feel that you own it, whatever it is that you're working on, whatever project you is, you're doing or whatever, you're not gonna move forward as strong as you should be because your foundation is weak.
You can't have a weak foundation. So when women are in menopause, dealing is a, it's a fire.
That's their masculinity energy coming in. That's, that's a good opportunity to get a side hustle, figure out what do you want to, what do you want to do? What's your new app, what's your new episode, what's your new chapter? Because you're going through something different, which is. Matt, it's something that's making you go through something different. So let's recreate yourself. Don't see it as a negative. See it as a positive, a reinvention of yourself through menopause. What is it that you want to do inside of you? What is it that your inner child, your little girl, wants to do now that your body's changing, that you know that you can do with confidence, an idea, a dream.
My dream was to own a, a, a wellness center.
Couple of years ago, I wanted to be, I, I worked with doctors most of my life, ever since I was 14 years old. I wanted, I love helping the community. I love helping people. So I'm not a doctors, but I, I, I, I want to help the community. So I'm bringing in practitioners that can help people with their emotions, and hopefully I'll get to the point where I can have a holistic healing doctor there, you know what I'm saying? That they can also reference.
[00:32:39] Speaker B: But my, my, my degree is in social work and also leadership.
And after practicing social work for so many years and, and in our earlier episode, I spoke about, you know, when Covet hit, it brought changes that I needed to start looking at myself and, and, and I love social work, but at the same time, it can be very draining. And that is not something that I want to practice anymore.
So in looking at those lifestyle changes and how I want to guide my life in the future, you know, I am looking at different endeavors that I want to do. And without having that masculine energy, having those testosterone, I wouldn't be able to be brave enough to follow those endeavors that I want to go into.
[00:33:37] Speaker A: And.
[00:33:39] Speaker B: That brings, you know, a lot of emotional changes during menopause. And again, it's a natural part of life and finding those tools to deal with what life will be throwing at us at different stages, it, it's very important and we have to implement, you know, a lot of those strategies that you spoke about and, and navigate through this transition.
[00:34:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. There was something else that I wanted to, to mention that, that we have here sleep.
We have to prioritize sleep.
Sleep is very important. If you don't meet up, if you girls don't sleep right, you're not gonna process things right.
You're gonna, your choices are gonna, you're not even your driving, it's gonna be affected if you don't sleep right.
Create good sleeping habits.
Find that 1 hour, 2 hour before you go to sleep.
Have some chamomile tea, do something to do A relaxation exercise.
Just breathe. Just breathe. Listen to the sound healing. Listen to some sound healing. Listen to a meditation. Listen to something that's going to relax your nervous system so when you go to sleep, you feel better. So you wake up in the morning and you won't be like.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: Well, yes. We're coming to the end of our episode and I just want to thank our audience for spending time with us. And I'm going to give Iris the opportunity to close out our second episode of Vital Women from Washington Heights.
[00:35:21] Speaker A: Yeah, well, thank you so much, Yvette. Listen guys, our final note is emotional changes during menopause are natural part of life.
But by implementing these strategies, we can navigate these transitions with greater ease and maintain our emotional well being.
Find, find your tools to feel better.
So today's episode ensured us to catch up. Next week we'll tackle episode of no Excuse for Abuse.
[00:35:49] Speaker B: That one's going to no Excuse for Abuse.
I love that topic.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: That's going to be amazing. Because there is no Excuse for abuse. Hello. No. Nowhere.
So we definitely want our health. Our heartfelt thank you to, to Mental Health America, Dutchess County, Andrew o', Grady. Thank you so much for sponsoring us once again. So thank you so much for this opportunity.
Vital Women from Washington Heights in Dutchess county. Man, this is us, you know, and we're just here to, to support, to help and share our experiences with you beautiful, beautiful women. And just remember you all are beautiful and you all have this beautiful bless blossom blossoming inside of you. It's just learning how to maintain it that's important.
So again, I'm Iris Douglas with my co host, I. O'. Sullivan. I and I, I and I, we also want to to mention thank you so much Oriana. She's always helping us and always making sure that we look good on screen. And Rocio, thank you so much for keeping us connected. Appreciate you ladies so much.
Thank you Evad, thank you so much for this opportunity to share this. Until next time, ladies, peace out and remember, believe in yourselves.
